Curse

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 10:21 AM // 10:21

[skill]Deathly Swarm[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill][skill]Animate Flesh Golem[/skill][skill]Rising Bile[/skill][skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Taste of Death[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Works quite well...you have the option to either dish out damage relatively quick or summon bone fiends relatively quick...it makes it very easy to hit the 10 minion cap real quick.

tmakinen · Nov 02, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Lavans, that build looks really ... random. What are you going to Arcane Echo, Rising Bile? It doesn't really make sense since you're paying 15 energy to get one extra use of a not-so-stellar skill. Talking about energy, this build uses some expensive skills but doesn't have any kind of energy management, the nerfed soul reaping doesn't provide infinite energy any more. Also, it's quite expensive to heal yourself through Taste of Death if you're feasting on fiends. Horrors would be another issue, you'd get the energy back through SR but it just won't cut with fiends so you'll be better off with Dark Bond instead of ToD. If you replace Arcane Echo with Signet of Lost Souls you get something like health and energy management. If you want to deal some additional damage, why not drop some points in curses and take MoP or Barbs which sync very well with fiends? And let's not even start about the golem ...

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 11:04 AM // 11:04

*Shrug* Works good enough for me. There might be some high energy cost skills, but this build is intended for solo MMing large groups of enemies, hence [skill]arcane echo[/skill], which gives you the opportunity to either pop out twice as many [skill]animate bone fiend[/skill] or twice as many [skill]deathly swarm[/skill]. Also, [skill]animate flesh golem[/skill] is very good for keeping melee characters off at bay and is even better for using taste of death as you can easily draw 500+ hp from one lv 24 [skill]animate flesh golem[/skill]. As for the [skill]blood of the master[/skill] and the [skill]rising bile[/skill], that's intended for healing your minions quick and for damaging large groups of enemies that may be surrounded by a boss mob.

Once you test out the build with max Death Magic and Soul Reaping, the skill choices makes sense...especially when you're up against a group of 8 mobs or more.

Moloch Vein · Nov 02, 2007, 02:38 PM // 14:38

You're going to arcane echo a three seconds recharge 25e cost spell?

No further comments.

Chthon · Nov 02, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Lavans

[skill]Deathly Swarm[/skill][skill]Animate Bone Fiend[/skill][skill]Animate Flesh Golem[/skill][skill]Rising Bile[/skill][skill]Arcane Echo[/skill][skill]Blood of the Master[/skill][skill]Taste of Death[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Works quite well...

The difference between you and the OP is that the OP realized his build sucked and asked for help with it. I'm afraid your build sucks, perhaps worse than OP's did. If you'd like help improving it, just ask. That's what we're here for. You might start by reading post #9 in this thread. Parts of post #6 are background reading you clearly could use too. Or, if you'd like to go right on echoing a 25e, 3 recharge spell and believing that "it works quite well," go right ahead; that's your prerogative.

furanshisuko · Nov 02, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

lol i tried a few different builds now and minions die very fast but i dont
i got
rez
blood of the master
animate bone fiend
vampiric fiend
masochism
signet of sorrow
mystic regen
aura of the lich

i think heros work better :P

im thinking of making my mm in to a 55 ss instead

furanshisuko · Nov 02, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

this is what i started using instead of MMing my self
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10142972
works great

Full Metal X · Nov 02, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Or, Maybe instead of all the arguing about minion bombing vs minion master you can run both (ZOMG!).

I run 3 necros heroes 1 OoU Minion Master.
1 Jaged Bones Minion Bomber.
1 SS with Barbs/Mark of pain.

Basicly Minions do lots of damage because of OoU and barbs/mark of pain wtf pwnage and they go boom when they die (SYNERGY???? NO WAI!!!)

(To clarify the minion bomber blows up the MMs minions)

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

The difference between you and the OP is that the OP realized his build sucked and asked for help with it. I'm afraid your build sucks, perhaps worse than OP's did. If you'd like help improving it, just ask. That's what we're here for. You might start by reading post #9 in this thread. Parts of post #6 are background reading you clearly could use too. Or, if you'd like to go right on echoing a 25e, 3 recharge spell and believing that "it works quite well," go right ahead; that's your prerogative.

If you haven't tried it, then there's not much you can say for it now is there?

Gigashadow · Nov 02, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Flesh golem is baed.

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Flesh golem is baed.

As long as it keeps the mobs away from me, then it's doing its job pretty well.

furanshisuko · Nov 02, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavans

If you haven't tried it, then there's not much you can say for it now is there?

yeah.. umm

e-management thats what we all can say about your build

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by furanshisuko

yeah.. umm

e-management thats what we all can say about your build

thats why god invented soul reaping...u know...that thing...that gives energy...surely youve heard of it?

furanshisuko · Nov 02, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

ok let all your minions die you will get lots of energy

Moloch Vein · Nov 02, 2007, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavans

If you haven't tried it, then there's not much you can say for it now is there?

I don't have to "try" to echo a 25e spell in order to raise a 10 minion army to know what the result will be.

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moloch Vein

I don't have to "try" to echo a 25e spell in order to raise a 10 minion army to know what the result will be.

*shrug* if your going to say my MM build sucks based off your own bias, then don't bother posting why you "think" it sucks. You havent contributed any positive comments or suggestion, so do us all a favor and drop it unless you have something to actually contribute.

Full Metal X · Nov 02, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lavans

*shrug* if your going to say my MM build sucks based off your own bias, then don't bother posting why you "think" it sucks. You havent contributed any positive comments or suggestion, so do us all a favor and drop it unless you have something to actually contribute.

There is no bias, your build just sucks.

Lavans · Nov 02, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Full Metal X

There is no bias, your build just sucks.

lol right, keep thinking that, champ

I said it once and I'll say it again...don't bother shooting off your mouth unless you have something useful to contribute

furanshisuko · Nov 02, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

lol this is not a battlefield ,the bottom line is that your build aint that good and there are in fact some other builds which might work better .so you dont need to take this as an offence to you ,you do have to consider that you are not going to be killing lots of foes in a mission or quest that will give you energy some missions wont have many corpses also

using lots of energy in any build aint good

signet of sorrow ftw

Stormlord Alex · Nov 02, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Lavans, you may be in for a treat if you keep this up.
Stormlord is at the ready.